“The” title placement

Have a question about how you alphabetize titles that begin with “The” there seems to be no rhyme or reason…

If a Character name appears aftter “The”, i generally file under the character’s name. Example: The Fantastic Four files under “F”

But if it is just the title of a story like “The Kill Lock”, i file under “the”…

How does CLZ handle this?
I can’t seem to determine the method…

My titles with the word the in them get listed with the as the 1st word. Clz doesn’t ignore the word “the”

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Actually in some cases it does… I am trying to find out the logic of how their algorithm decides.

If you go to the menu, go to “Manage Pick Lists” and choose Series Name, there is a Sort Name for each Series. You can edit anything starting with “The” to exclude that word in the sort name, and that is what will be used to sort going forward.

For Series indeed this is the way. Series have a “name” (what you see) and a “sort name” (what the app will sort that name on).

We usually provide
“The Defenders, Vol. 1” as name
and “Defenders, Vol. 1” as sortname.

For Characters, if you add your own, you can set a name (what you see), a sortname (what it sorts on), and a “Real Name” (such as Kal-El/Clark Kent, in the case of Superman).
For those we do not always have the right sortname provided though.

That is quite strange. Unless you modified your app setting to set it to “Ignore Series Sort Names”.
Or, you entered your own Series entry and forget to set the Sort Name.

I haven’t modified anything. Here is a screenshot.

Those series "start with “Lady Death” - so no “The” in front, and that is technically correct.

I’m assuming you would like the sortname for the Lady Death series starting with “The” would become, for instance:
“Lady Death: Crucible”
omitting the “The” in the middle of the series name we have in Core?

@CLZ_Taco just made those changes for you. You can select the series (tap and hold) and use Update from Core, and then replace the series name to get the new sort names to get it working on your side. Let me know how that goes!

You are correct it doesn’t start with it. I was merely joining conversation. I don’t have preference as long as consistent.

After this conversation i did research on properly alphabetical books, as the : drive me nuts. And it said : are the only punctuation that counts, because it designates a subtitle. After the colon there are 2 ways and either is correct. Keeping or dropping the preposition.

I have encountered multiple inconsistencies in “:” for the Lady Death titles. These will be corrected, but we do consider the Indica when editing these titles.

Yes sir you are correct. And you are just copying what they write, so you are 100% correct. Its just annoying.

So what I gather, is that it depends who enters the title into the database…
I have not gone in an altered how the program works, so sorting is done by whatever factory settings are set. I appreciate everyone’s answers, but what I really want to know is why one morning I woke up and the program moved The Department of Truth from “T” to “D”…

@DeanLeto

Maybe you used Update from Core, and we fixed the sortname for it (if it was wrong before?).
Or it didn’t have a sortname before, and you added another issue for it, and then it got filled in as we fixed it in Core.

Could be something like that.